{
localUrl: '../page/safe_useless.html',
arbitalUrl: 'https://arbital.com/p/safe_useless',
rawJsonUrl: '../raw/42k.json',
likeableId: '2610',
likeableType: 'page',
myLikeValue: '0',
likeCount: '1',
dislikeCount: '0',
likeScore: '1',
individualLikes: [
'EricRogstad'
],
pageId: 'safe_useless',
edit: '2',
editSummary: '',
prevEdit: '1',
currentEdit: '2',
wasPublished: 'true',
type: 'wiki',
title: 'Safe but useless',
clickbait: 'Sometimes, at the end of locking down your AI so that it seems extremely safe, you'll end up with an AI that can't be used to do anything interesting.',
textLength: '3024',
alias: 'safe_useless',
externalUrl: '',
sortChildrenBy: 'likes',
hasVote: 'false',
voteType: '',
votesAnonymous: 'false',
editCreatorId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
editCreatedAt: '2016-06-08 01:38:38',
pageCreatorId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
pageCreatedAt: '2016-06-08 00:41:30',
seeDomainId: '0',
editDomainId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
submitToDomainId: '0',
isAutosave: 'false',
isSnapshot: 'false',
isLiveEdit: 'true',
isMinorEdit: 'false',
indirectTeacher: 'false',
todoCount: '0',
isEditorComment: 'false',
isApprovedComment: 'true',
isResolved: 'false',
snapshotText: '',
anchorContext: '',
anchorText: '',
anchorOffset: '0',
mergedInto: '',
isDeleted: 'false',
viewCount: '155',
text: '[summary: Arguendo, when some particular proposed AI safety measures is alleged to be inherently opposed to the useful work the AI is meant to do.\n\nWe could use the metaphor of a scissors and its dangerous blades. We can have a "safety scissors" that is only *just* sharp enough to cut paper, but this is still sharp enough to do some damage if you work at it. If you make the scissors *even safer* by encasing the dangerous blades in foam rubber, the scissors can't cut paper any more; and if it *can* cut paper, it's still unsafe. Maybe you can cut clay, but nobody knows how to do a [6y sufficiently large amount of good] by cutting clay.\n\nSimilarly, there's an obvious way to cut down the output of an [6x Oracle AGI] to the point where [70 all it can do is tell us that a proposed theorem is provable from the axioms of Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]. Unfortunately, nobody knows how to use a ZF provability oracle to [6y save the world].]\n\n"This type of safety implies uselessness" (or conversely, "any AI powerful enough to be useful will still be unsafe") is an accusation leveled against a proposed AI safety measure that must, to make the AI safe, be enforced to the point that it will make the AI useless.\n\nFor a non-AI metaphor, consider a scissors and its dangerous blades. We can have a "safety scissors" that is only *just* sharp enough to cut paper - but this is still sharp enough to do some damage if you work at it. If you try to make the scissors *even safer* by encasing the dangerous blades in foam rubber, the scissors can't cut paper any more. If the scissors *can* cut paper, it's still unsafe. Maybe you could in principle cut clay with a scissors like that, but this is no defense unless you can tell us [6y something very useful] that can be done by cutting clay.\n\nSimilarly, there's an obvious way to try cutting down the allowed output of an [6x Oracle AGI] to the point where [70 all it can do is tell us that a given theorem is provable from the axioms of Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]. This [2j might] prevent the AGI from hacking the human operators into letting it out, since all that can leave the box is a single yes-or-no bit, sent at some particular time. An untrusted superintelligence inside this scheme would have the option of strategically not telling us when a theorem *is* provable in ZF; but if the bit from the proof-verifier said that the input theorem was ZF-provable, we could very likely trust that.\n\nBut now we run up against the problem that nobody knows how to [6y actually save the world] by virtue of sometimes knowing for sure that a theorem is provable in ZF. The scissors has been blunted to where it's probably completely safe, but can only cut clay; and nobody knows how to [6y do *enough* good] by cutting clay.\n\n# Ideal models of "safe but useless" agents\n\nShould you have cause to do a mathematical study of this issue, then an excellent [107 ideal model] of a safe but useless agent, embodying maximal safety and minimum usefulness, would be a rock.',
metaText: '',
isTextLoaded: 'true',
isSubscribedToDiscussion: 'false',
isSubscribedToUser: 'false',
isSubscribedAsMaintainer: 'false',
discussionSubscriberCount: '1',
maintainerCount: '1',
userSubscriberCount: '0',
lastVisit: '',
hasDraft: 'false',
votes: [],
voteSummary: 'null',
muVoteSummary: '0',
voteScaling: '0',
currentUserVote: '-2',
voteCount: '0',
lockedVoteType: '',
maxEditEver: '0',
redLinkCount: '0',
lockedBy: '',
lockedUntil: '',
nextPageId: '',
prevPageId: '',
usedAsMastery: 'false',
proposalEditNum: '0',
permissions: {
edit: {
has: 'false',
reason: 'You don't have domain permission to edit this page'
},
proposeEdit: {
has: 'true',
reason: ''
},
delete: {
has: 'false',
reason: 'You don't have domain permission to delete this page'
},
comment: {
has: 'false',
reason: 'You can't comment in this domain because you are not a member'
},
proposeComment: {
has: 'true',
reason: ''
}
},
summaries: {},
creatorIds: [
'EliezerYudkowsky'
],
childIds: [],
parentIds: [
'advanced_safety'
],
commentIds: [],
questionIds: [],
tagIds: [],
relatedIds: [],
markIds: [],
explanations: [],
learnMore: [],
requirements: [],
subjects: [],
lenses: [],
lensParentId: '',
pathPages: [],
learnMoreTaughtMap: {},
learnMoreCoveredMap: {},
learnMoreRequiredMap: {},
editHistory: {},
domainSubmissions: {},
answers: [],
answerCount: '0',
commentCount: '0',
newCommentCount: '0',
linkedMarkCount: '0',
changeLogs: [
{
likeableId: '0',
likeableType: 'changeLog',
myLikeValue: '0',
likeCount: '0',
dislikeCount: '0',
likeScore: '0',
individualLikes: [],
id: '12006',
pageId: 'safe_useless',
userId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
edit: '2',
type: 'newEdit',
createdAt: '2016-06-08 01:38:38',
auxPageId: '',
oldSettingsValue: '',
newSettingsValue: ''
},
{
likeableId: '0',
likeableType: 'changeLog',
myLikeValue: '0',
likeCount: '0',
dislikeCount: '0',
likeScore: '0',
individualLikes: [],
id: '11994',
pageId: 'safe_useless',
userId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
edit: '1',
type: 'newEdit',
createdAt: '2016-06-08 00:41:30',
auxPageId: '',
oldSettingsValue: '',
newSettingsValue: ''
},
{
likeableId: '0',
likeableType: 'changeLog',
myLikeValue: '0',
likeCount: '0',
dislikeCount: '0',
likeScore: '0',
individualLikes: [],
id: '11992',
pageId: 'safe_useless',
userId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
edit: '0',
type: 'deleteTag',
createdAt: '2016-06-08 00:41:23',
auxPageId: 'stub_meta_tag',
oldSettingsValue: '',
newSettingsValue: ''
},
{
likeableId: '0',
likeableType: 'changeLog',
myLikeValue: '0',
likeCount: '0',
dislikeCount: '0',
likeScore: '0',
individualLikes: [],
id: '11974',
pageId: 'safe_useless',
userId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
edit: '1',
type: 'newTag',
createdAt: '2016-06-08 00:04:26',
auxPageId: 'stub_meta_tag',
oldSettingsValue: '',
newSettingsValue: ''
},
{
likeableId: '0',
likeableType: 'changeLog',
myLikeValue: '0',
likeCount: '0',
dislikeCount: '0',
likeScore: '0',
individualLikes: [],
id: '11973',
pageId: 'safe_useless',
userId: 'EliezerYudkowsky',
edit: '1',
type: 'newParent',
createdAt: '2016-06-08 00:04:22',
auxPageId: 'advanced_safety',
oldSettingsValue: '',
newSettingsValue: ''
}
],
feedSubmissions: [],
searchStrings: {},
hasChildren: 'false',
hasParents: 'true',
redAliases: {},
improvementTagIds: [],
nonMetaTagIds: [],
todos: [],
slowDownMap: 'null',
speedUpMap: 'null',
arcPageIds: 'null',
contentRequests: {}
}